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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  So if the child is being victimized each time that someone watches a depiction of child pornography then the child is still in danger, isn't that correct? Then the mandatory reporting would come into play.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  And again I agree that child pornography can and most likely does depict a case of child abuse. So if there is a case of child abuse, and Watchtower has already made it clear that they will report a case of child abuse, then wouldn't Watchtower by their own policy be required to report the child pornography to the authorities?
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  OC no one is disputing that child pornography does depict child abuse. All I am saying is that the law does not define child pornography exclusively to the visual depiction of pre-pubescent children either naked or nearly naked, when they are engaged in sex acts with an adult or not. You have narrowed the definition of the legal term of child pornography to make your argument so that no one in the world would dispute it. That is not the case. The law defines any visual representation of someone under 18, in most cases, either naked or engaging in sexual activities.

  As you stated you think that child pornography should be regulated by the law. And you posted as evidence a legal authority. So you have to look at the law, so again my question based on the law of the land, should a young teen couple in NC be arrested, prosecuted and put on a sexual registry, because they sent naked pictures of each other to each other?
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Orphan crow. Do you believe that child porn should be regulated as a matter of law or a matter of morality?
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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  Richard Oliver

  The brief may take a few days for it to be searchable. I am going to call the law library to verify how long it would normally take before it is searchable.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  OC so you are contending that watchtower has no problem what so ever of a 10 year old being raped on camera.

  You also miss the point as great teacher points out she is a mandatory reporting like most teachers in the US and other places. Mandatory reporting laws on child abuse would also include reporting on child porn. As you pointed out child porn is child abuse. So the rules that apply to child abuse would apply to child porn. As watchtower policy as you have been reading it doesn't matter if the abuse occured to a jw child or not. If elders would be obligated to report child abuse they would also be obligated to report that. In fact many states don't have a seperate statute on who is to report child porn but it is rolled into the mandatory reporting statutes of child abuse.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  And OX either you or outlaw kept on saying I was giving a straw man argument. That is exactly what you are doing because you give an argument that no one can disagree with.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  That is very good orphan crow that you care about all the babies and children being raped on camera.and I don't think any reasonable person would disagree. So do you feel that they should be treated legally or by a moral code? What can any NGO do to a criminal vs what a government can do?

  I understand you don't care about the grey areas. But you also feel that for instance a young couple should not be df'ed for having premarital sex, that would ruin their life. So my question stands. Should that young couple be arrested tried and convicted and put on a sex offender registry for sending naked pictures to each other. And that is not a hypothetical that is a real issue that happens all the time.

  There is a case of a famous gay porn actor who lied about his age when he started to perform, he was either 16 or 17. It later came out that he was under age and the producer was charged with trafficking in child porn, there was questions of if someone kept one of those films even by accident would they be guilty of possession of child porn.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Ok OC yes I agree with you. Child porn is child abuse. Do you feel that a teen couple in NC should be considered child predators because they sent each other naked selfies? Or is there some gray areas? We may not agree on the exact gray areas.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Ok OC. Do you want governments to regulate morality or laws?